Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01099)

Daniel, 

This, below, is a  boring, a too elaborate  and over detailed game of words and sophistry.  Void personalistic speculations. 

We are all independent thinkers here , or should be. 

There is no party line in Theos-talk.  We are no jesuits. 

We all agree in some points and disagree in others. What's fuss about it? 


Carlos. 


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Data:Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:19:07 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Tillett and Aveline in Agreement???

> Gregory Tillett has written two important postings on Theos-Talk:
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> (1) "Editing HPB's letters" 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37780
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> (2) "Fake HPB letters"
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37811
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> In posting (1) Tillett makes two significant points:
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> (a) "Letters should not be omitted on the grounds of content alone ? 
> that HPB couldn't or wouldn't have written this...."
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> (b) "The fact that someone hostile to HPB originally published a
> letter tells us nothing necessarily about whether the letter is 
> genuine."
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> In posting (2) Tillett goes over these same points with more detail:
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> "Are they [the letters] to be eliminated on the basis of provenance 
> ('X was a crook therefore any letters he produced must be fakes') or 
> content ('HPB wouldn't have written these words')?"
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> Gregory goes on to write:
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> "Both are methodologically unsatisfactory." 
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> "Liars, thieves and forgers sometime provide genuine material." 
> 
> "Letter writers sometimes write things that are atypical or contrary 
> to their usual style or beliefs."
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> Gregory then gives an example from Leadbeater's life:
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> "I note that lots of clearly genuine letters from Leadbeater were made
> accessible by his most savage critics; the letters were not 'fakes'
> because they were made accessible in an attempt to damage Leadbeater's
> reputation or by his self-declared enemies. The famous (or infamous)
> 'cipher letter', with its strange sexual message to one of his male 
> boy pupils, is an excellent example. Leadbeater's supporters 
> (including Besant) claimed it must be 'fake' because of its 
> provenance ('His enemies produced it') and its content ('He would 
> never have written such a letter.')."
> 
> Now Carlos Aveline tells us that he agrees with much of what Tillett 
> is writing in these postings, but on previous occasions it is Carlos 
> Aveline himself who has used THE VERY SAME METHODS described by 
> Tillett.
> 
> In other words, Aveline has used these SAME arguments to discredit 
> the HPB letters to Aksakoff. 
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> Read Mr. Aveline's own words below:
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> "More than one century later, the book entitled The Letters of H. P.
> Blavatsky - Volume I , edited by Mr. John Algeo and published by the
> USA T.P.H. in 2003, might be in the same broad category of books
> with an unhealthy aura. Mr. Algeo included in it forged texts full
> of disgusting lies and libels, cleverly mixed among authentic
> documents."
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> "H.P. Blavatsky ? the woman who worked day and night for the good of
> mankind and who gave the world such wonderful books as The Voice of
> the Silence and The Secret Doctrine ? is made to describe herself as
> a mean person; a Russian spy ('letter' 07); someone who helped
> torture a cat to death during 'occult' experiences ( 'letter' 76);
> someone who would like to sell her soul ('letter' 53); and someone
> whom the devil got into trouble in her youth ('letter' 69) ? to name
> but a few examples of Mr. John Algeo's 'work'."
> 
> "Out of the 136 'letters' published by Mr. John Algeo, at least 27
> documents are certainly false. . . .
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> quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/35934
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> Elsewhere on many occasions Aveline has brought up the point of 
> Soloyoff turning against HPB and has used this to discount the HPB 
> letters in Soloyoff book.
> 
> IN SUMMARY, it would appear that Mr. Aveline has used the IDENTICAL 
> methods that Mrs. Besant used (as given in the above example by 
> Tillett)!!!
> 
> Daniel
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